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צוחק מכך שהגברת אינה מבינה כלום. הגברת רוצה לחיות – שהיא וחבריה הנוצרים יטבחו במוסלמים השיעים.

כותביו השמאלנים של אתר העוקץ מבינים היטב שזו מלחמה עולמית של העולם האיסלאמי נגד הגלובליזציה המערבית הזוכה לתמיכת משטרים ערבים וישראלים מושחתים.

הייתי יכול להיות בן ברית במלחמה הזו, משום שאני שונא את הגלובליזציה ועושק העניים בידי העשירים ממש כמותם. הבעייה היא שבדרך מבקשים המוסלמים לחסל אותי, כיהודי, וכישראלי. ובעת שמבקשים לחסל אותי – אני מסתפח בלית ברירה אל מי שאני שונא, כי טוב שונא שלפחות מאפשר לי לחיות משונא שאיננו מאפשר לי לחיות.

Here, in this forum and elsewere, the ugly face of FASCISM is raising its face.

For a good depiction, see Generalisimo Peled exhortation in

http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=738049&contrassID=2&subContrassID=2&sbSubContrassID=0

חיפה: 17:00 כיכר סולל בונה, נא לאשר הגעה בפני איתמר 054-5737423
ירושלים: 17:30 בגן הפעמון ו17:45- בבנייני האומה. סרחיו 054-2076536
המצעד מתחיל בשעה 19:00, בשדרות חן פינת פרישמן בתל אביב

מה יש להגיד?
האטימות,והגסות בהם אתה מתבטא מעידים עליך כנראה בצורה הנאמנה ביותר.
אני רחוק מלהסכים עם הכותבת, אבל רגשותיה האנושיים רחוקים מלהיות זרים לי ובטח ובטח לא באופן שיעורר בי לעג ורשעות כשלך.
ובעת צרה אני מוותר מראש על הסולידריות המפוקפקת מראש שלך ושכמותך.

רן, אני תוהה אם אחרי החדשות הנוראיות מחיפה אתה עדיין ממשיך וצוחק מאחורי המחשב? אלו הימים שאתה וגברי ישראל פורחים בהם. ת גיד אולי אתה יודע למי יש פין ארוך יותר לאולמרט או לנאסראללה? תתבייש רן, תתבייש.

I will write in english for the slightest possiblity that miss Rasha will read my words, and this response is about this possibility. For me, her account of the Israeli attacks on Beirut is very valuable, she comes across as a very intelligent person. and yet she has no suggestions for a solution, and who does? it seems that like all of us the attacks woke her up from a dream, as if she woke up to "realize" that Israel is still a threat to Lebanon, Israel suddenly got back to being the terrorizing enemy, for her, we're back in 1982. I find this response on our side too, and i find it untolerably problematic, because it brings us back to our nationalist cellars, our stereotypes about the other side, each side blames the other and thus justifies the violence towards it, which is the way to justify a war. the big question for me is, why doesn't Rasha (as an example for all of us) try to communicate with the other side, even slightly, recognize that people here or there also might not want this war? why doesn't she convey a message, maybe that she doesn't want war with Israel or that she has no particular reason to want to be in war with it, maybe that there should be protests on both sides? why can't one side ever think the other might also not want to fight and use those who don't to form a front against the war?
I never thought of the Lebanese people as my enemy. i know this view in some places might be dangerous, maybe it is so in Beirut, but what do we have to loose now? I feel that if we don't recognize that, we really might as well just all go to hell in this stupid war.

הטקסט שתורגם מאנגלית לעברית לא כלל את שם משפחתה.

http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/445.shtml

והאם נשלח במיוחד לך?

איני יודע מי זאת רשא, ואני מניח שי. נ. שאני יודע את זהותו מעדיף להיות מזוהה בראשי תיבות בלבד

http://lebanonheartblogs.blogspot.com/

Dear Yigal, even though this letter is a bit harsh, I would be glad if you will be able to pass it on to Rasha.
Hello Rasha. I read your letter and all through the night I thought of an answer. your letter really touched my heart in it's sincerity, it's naive and it's humanity. Your second or third response, which I read right now, nearly caused me to despair and abandon the writing of my answer, but since people around me talk about Lebanon quite the same way you talked about Israel in your I decided to have a go at it anyway. I wanted to tell you that I'm sad about everything that's going on now and that I wish our goverment would think about people like you, and that your goverment would think about people like me a bit more than only about themselves. I want to tell you that I'm terribly dissapointed that your goverment, the goverment of Egypt, of Morroco and of other non fanatic Muslim countries have chosen the cowardly way of letting fanatic terror groups reside within your boundaries, hoping that by letting them direct all of their negative energy toward an external enemy they will be a funnel to all your problems, and so in your little middle-eastern heaven tourism will flourish and life will be sweet while all your lunatics raise hell in my country and kill me, my relatives, my friends and my children. Rasha, don't you understand that non fanatic muslims are the only force that has a chance of saving the world from fanatic muslim dark ages without a bloody world war? Don't you understand Rasha that if your goverment would have spent 10% of the money and work they spent on rebuilding Beirut on taking control of south Lebanon like the U.N demanded (U.N, you know this body of nations? it's not controlled by Israel believe it or not) all of this wouldn't have happened? Don't you see that by restraining Hisballa your life, and your children's lives would be more secure and free? Dear Rasha, if , god forbid, the state of Israel would perish, where do you think Hizballa would turn next? I believe they would turn against the center of sacrilege inside Lebanon. Against free, life loving women such as you. Just look at what's going on in Arab countries around you. Do you want to live like that? Like an Iranian woman? Like Egyptian women that are not allowed near tourists and get no education unless their are from a rich family? If so then I'm wasting my words here. If not, please try to look at yourself and your country with the same criticizing look that you seem to find so natural when looking toward us. You can take the easy way, demanding to get us court martialed by some internationational committee, looking upon us as a country that only seeks the annihilation of you and all other arabs wherever they are, and that builds walls around itself out of choice and not out of necessity, That's how most Israeli's see Palestinians nowadays. But I am hoping you can also use this criticism closer, look at your fellow Palestinians and Arabs, and see the walls that some of them are building rapidly between you and the rest of the free world, and fight to take down these walls just like I fight to take down the mental walls that cause Israelies to look upon Palestine and see only a Hamas militant planning their genocide. Maybe, in the name of your freedom and safety, you might become a committed activist to challenge not the foundations of the state of Lebanon, just challenge the idea of letting terror groups reside within you. Challenge the idea that committing crimes against humanity is O.K as long as it's not directed towards the humans you care about. What do you say?

לא זו לא מערכה במשחק, אלה החיים שלי ושלך שבהם אנחנו מקבלים החלטות גורליות לגבי החיים שלנו ושל הדורות הבאים.
אני לא חושב שאנשים מבינים את הקושי הניצב בפני המתון או המתונה בבירות,
בטח לא תחת מטר גילויי הרוע הקיצון שבוקעים מגרונם רבים משרידי השואה.
להשוות את היכולת של ממשלת ישראל לממשלת לבנון מתי שנוח זה פשוט טמטום,
ולחגוג על הפער בין ההישגים המתקדמים של הקבוצה הישראלית אל מול הקבוצה הלבנונית מתי שנוח
זו פשוט בושה וחרפה.

בחזקת הנסתר, הסודי והחשאי,
נדמה כי מדינת ישראל המציאה זן חדש של גזענות.
הנאצים קראו לנו עכברים, גזע נחות ומיני שקצים ושרצים אחרים,
בה בעת שטענו שזקני ציון, דהיינו מורינו ורבנו, משתלטים על התקשורת העולמית וגוזלים את הכסף הגרמני.
הרוב הישראלי קורא לשכנינו, השם ישמור אותם, ערבושים וטרוריסטים מרצחים,
והפך ממזמן את המילה ערבי, או את שם המנהיג האיראני התורן, לקללה נבזית,
להבדיל מהנאצים, הרוב הישראלי לא רק שלא טוען במקביל שזקני וחכמי העמים הערביים גזלו ושתו את הכסף היהודי,
אלא טוען בהתאמה לגינויים הנוראיים, כי אלו נכונים,
שהערבי הנחות עושה "עבודה ערבית"
שהערבי הטרוריסט המרצח, אכן שונא ומנסה להשמיד את עם ישראל.

להבדיל מהמיעוט המשכיל והמתקדם והרפורמי של שנות השלושים והארבעים של המאה שעברה,
שלא עשה דבר כי לא ידע, באמת לא ידע,
המיעוט המשכיל המתקדם והרפורמי בימינו
לא עושה דבר ויודע,
או לפחות אם חייב לקחת ולעשות משהו בשם האב,
זה לנסות ולדעת.
והדברים הללו נכונים לגבי כולנו, כל בעלי התבונה, עם רבה ועם לא,
על פני כל כדור הארץ.

חרצת גורלות! סיכמת סוף פסוק!
זה אבוד!? אין מה לעשות!?
קבוע!? אבוד!?
כמו האמת המוחלטת של דתות מתות?
כמו העובדה שלעולם לא ילכו על הירח? (נכון לאיזה שנה?)

Is this the end?
(By zapata123 on 07/25/2006 04:29:35 PM , visited 341 time(s)

Excellent topic, moderator.

Right title for right situation. I just hope that all Lebanese people will awaiken some day to realise that this is the consequence of a coward people that has sold out their own country for fanatic purposes.

Lebanon, my dear Lebanon, i cannot write this post without helping myself dropping some tears on my keyboard. We are living the death of a nation.

Our nation is cursed, cursed by uts geographical situation and boundaries. All arab coutries have let us down. Israel's borders are as follows: Egyptian borders are calm, Jordanian borders are calm, Syrian border are also calm. The only border that still has a question mark is our border, my dear country's border, Lebanon.

Middle east countries are using this border to obtain means of pressure against the economical invading USA. Lebanese people are used as human sheilds for these lost causes. Iran and Syria do not give a damn about our people. This is why we can just see that they haven't sent any aids for the Lebanese people. Israel is destroying all our economical infrastructure making 4 billions of USD of unrecoverable loss. More than 500000 displaced people. The american people are putting means of pressure to have their Syrian and Iranian files reviewed. America does not give a damn also about Lebanon.

Israel has been planning this attack long time ago to put pressure on Iran's nuclear program for the US interests. The two jewish prisonners should have been negociated and a prisoner exchange protocol should have been engaged. Instead, what? shoot and destroy!

Also, we can see the behavior of our government along with the behavior of Hezbollah. If Hezbollah is fighting a just cause, it is mathematicelly hopelles, and i am also disapointed to say but no one can ever win. Here we can ask ourselves the question: Why the Hezb didn't build shelters for the southern Lebanese people? yes i can give you the answer, because those Lebanese holding IDs don't care about the human sheild they use for the foreign countries causes. Our country is so poor that anyone can buy people's faithfullness by giving them food, jobs, and money. This is how desperate we are.

I have personally met with these people. When they are asked about Lebanon, they just answer back "who?, our cause is the Kods and the anhilation of the state of Israel, and to establish an Iranian regime in Lebanon", as for some other Lebanese people they just beleive in "Syria il koubra".

It is just a pitty, for us, true Lebanese who have fallen in others' traps. Christians have killed each other, Muslims have killed each other, Christians and Muslims have killed each other. On a political basis this is what machiavelic countries do: allways bind religion and politics together, this is how you create fanatics.

Since the end of the first big Lebanese war (yes we are living the second one), each community is affraid of the other one, and each community is voting for a rotten politician just because he is of their own community and is supposed to protect them.

Lebanon has never been united and the next civil war (yes, you'll see) will prove this. At the death of ex-PM Hariri, nearly all lebanese people participated in the rally. Nearly, yes, because all shi'a community and the Hezb were launching another rally thanking syria.

Can you just sit and understand what we have seen? we have seen a group of "Lebanese" people running a massive (yes it was!) rally in beirut thanking another country? let's do the same, why not support bangladesh of pekin? There is no more true Lebanese people in this country, and this is exactly what is intended….Divide and conquer…Divide and conquer…Don't you forget this. And all of this is serving Israel's interests who is so happy destroying our country and taking it back 50 years earlier.

Is this what you want? do you want Lebanon fight a hopeless war for other countries interest? Are you a true Lebanese? I am one, a true one. Prove yourself one and stop arguing for Aoun, of Geagea, or Berry or Nassrallah, or Israel. Start arguing for LEBANON, ONE UNITED FREE COUNTRY.

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/Forums.nsf/getforumbynumber?openform&272